In response to the article on Satan's lies a few months ago I received an in-depth rebuttal of several points

This article presents the rebuttal verbatim together with the subsequent exchange of emails so that you can form your own opinion on the topics addressed

Note that the domain name of the person writing is "truth is life" which is a very dangerous name since it can delude the person using the domain name into thinking that they have all truth.

2012.11.18

Satan’s Lies – Response to Rebuttal

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James Robertson

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In September I published the article 2012.09.03 “Satan's most effective lies”

In response to that a person on the list sent me a very detailed rebuttal and then subsequently suggested that I was heading towards forming a cult

Insofar as I am firmly of the opinion that it is NOT my job to force anybody to believe what I believe and that we each have a FREE CHOICE, I thought it would be appropriate to publish the rebuttal, since the party concerned obviously went to quite a bit of trouble compiling it and thereby give others on the list the opportunity to form their own opinions.

Following is the full email thread so start reading from the last item back up.

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Hi B…

Thank you for your concern

At the end of the day you believe that some voice, be it your intellect or some other voice told you that the bible is the word of God and that same voice or another voice told you that Jesus is God

We can argue intellectually all we like but it will get neither of us anywhere

Fact is you are so sure of your “truth” that you are prepared to make some harsh claims about the voice I am hearing from – which frankly is dangerous, I might just be hearing the true Creator J

I suggest for your prayerful consideration that there is ONLY one way to resolve this:

1.   YOU pray regularly for the next six to twelve months “Father, I come to you in the name of Yahooshua and I ask you to JUDGE me SEVERELY and correct me HARSHLY that I can serve you more perfectly and I ask you to show me the level of my present DECEPTION and HOW to correct it” – respond to EVERYTHING that goes wrong and course correct until the judgment comes to an end – I have been praying this way since about 1998 so I have some basis to believe that I am more or less on track

2.   Simultaneously with the above undertake seven three day fasts at seven day intervals seeking that your flesh is put to death, that you are drawn closer to Yah, that you be brought into His truth, etc and that He will cleanse you of all unrighteousness – concurrently apply all the sanctification processes outlined at http://www.end-time-issue-ministries.org/Articles/ArticleViewPage/tabid/511/ArticleId/91/0080-What-to-do-if-you-do-not-agree-with-what-is-posted-here.aspx

Also read through and apply http://www.end-time-issue-ministries.org/Articles/ArticleViewPage/tabid/511/ArticleId/274/2012-01-05-Getting-close-to-Yah-Appropriate-prayer-and-fasting-are-VITAL-the-answer-to-doctrinal-dif.aspx

3.   If after doing all this and waiting at least six months you STILL believe I am in error THEN let me know and present me with a reasoned argument based on your own revelation and experience after praying these prayers – Yah wants FIRST HAND RELATIONSHIPS WITH US NOT SECOND HAND PROXY RELATIONSHIPS J

Warm regards and blessings,



James

From: B 
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:21 AM
To: James Robertson End Time Issue Ministries
Subject: RE: B… [ETI Main 2012.09.03] Satans most effective lies

At 11:31 AM 9/19/2012, you wrote:

Dear B…
Daddy Yah has clearly and repeatedly stated to me that the bible is NOT His word and therefore a whole spectrum of your arguments below fall flat

Plenty of cult leaders, such as Jim Jones, said the same thing.  Jesus told the Jewish leaders in Mark 7:5-13, that they were never to do what you were doing and to do so made their worship vain. 

Furthermore He has clearly and repeatedly stated that Yahooshua is 100% human, that it was the anointing of the Spirit of Yah ON Yahooshua that performed the miracles and spoke through Yahooshua and that the Trinity is a false pagan i.e. Satanic, concept – Yahooshua has come to me personally and confirmed this

I don't care what you think or what spirit you claim you have..if it disagrees with the Bible, it is not of God. PERIOD.  God made VERY clear that He gave His truth in the Bible. Paul commended the Bereans for testing new truth against the Bible.  What you are doing is what cult leaders throughout history have done and there is NOTHING of God in it. PERIOD. No matter how sincere you may be.

Accordingly, since I find Yah and Yahooshua to be much more trustworthy witnesses than any of the men you cite I regret that I cannot agree with you
Warm regards and blessings,
James

B…>>>

You are not following the tested words of Yah  or Yahooshua in a number of areas and God does not conflict with Himself. You've got another spirit leading you down a dangerous road that is the opposite of the road Yahweh told us to travel.  I know of cases like this, which eventually ended up in Christians getting involved in crime, vandalism and murder.  You may not.  But, there's no chance that what you are advocated in this and certain other things is of God.  Impressions in your mind, must ALL be tested by the Bible...or else there's a HIGH chance, they are not of God. This is the #1 error of cults throughout history.

This is a book you REALLY need to read. It started with a Bible study group encountering an angel...who step by step led them to have the exact same belief you do...that the Bible was outdated...they could ignore it for new revelations, etc.  It eventually ended in them murdering people.  This happened in a city I lived in.  
http://books.google.co.kr/books?id=vG2aM0r-9KgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=roger+morneau&source=bl&ots=m8cqgz49Rc&sig=JrVlODkD8GPnldMq_iE8Zi04tZM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fZFcUMC_DYmWiALVgYHYBw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=roger%20morneau&f=false

This will probably not happen for you..but what you are involved in IS a major deception and will hurt you and others (it may be one reason for your wife leaving...that's a guess...but could be right). And Satan will push you as far as he can with this deception that you are involved in. That's what he did with the group above. Each person has limits where they can be pushed..and yours may be different from this group...but ignoring the Bible as the basic test of God's truth is one of the most serious ways that Satan has deceived cult leaders and their followers for centuries and more.

You've GOT to escape this delusion if you're really going to truly be on God's side.

My prayers and deep concern is with you.
God bless,
B…

From: B… 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:49 AM
To: End Time Issue Lists
Subject: Re: B… [ETI Main 2012.09.03] Satans most effective lies
 

1. Lies about the bible and other books Many people believe that “The Bible is the Word of God”, this is false, the bible is simply a collection of writings, some of which are to some degree inspired by Yah or about the lives of people who at some level served Yah but it is NOT THE WORD of Yah or anything that approximates that.  Yah has inspired billions of pages and it is a gross insult to limit Him to one “little book” (His words to me).
   
    Building huge and complex teachings on the semantic interpretation of text in the bible is a massive mistake; the same applies to other books, like the Quran which are accorded similar reverence.
2. Lies about Jesus and the Trinity In the “Christian” area one of the most pervasive lies is the lie that Jesus is God and that there is a Trinity.
   
   Firstly, his name was Yahooshua, which means “Yah is salvation” so, by the very definition of his name, Yahooshua was NOT Yah.
   
    Secondly, he was a human being, the result of a creative miracle much LESS significant than the creative miracle whereby Adam was created or the miracle whereby Chavah {Eve} was created – yes, he WAS filled with the Spirit of Yah and thus Yah spoke through him and performed miracles through him but that same anointing is available to YOU today IF you will truly seek Yah fully.
   
   Thirdly, “Trinity” is a pagan, that is Satanic, concept.
   
   
   Hi,
   With all due respect, I think you should read/listen to this links:
   1) The Trinity is fully biblical and Jesus while he was a man, was fully God and was never created.  He claimed to be the "I AM" The Yahweh of the Old Testament. He proved He had divine power by resurrecting and promising His followers eternal life.
   http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Trinity/trinity.html
   
   See also:
   http://marshill.com/media/doctrine/trinity-god-is
   
   
   The trinity doctrine starts in Genesis with God saying, Let US make man and all three members of the trinity being present there.
   
   Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us.
   
   The great Shema of Israel was essentially trinitarian in nature, using the term echad which means unity among several entities, as in a man and woman become one flesh, or the church is one body, but many parts:
   
   http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Torah/The_Shema/the_shema.html
   
    The OT prophecies that the Messiah will be the Mighty God:
   
   Isaiah 9:6 For a child is born to us, a son is given to us.  The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
   
   John is especially strong in saying that Jesus is equal to God:
   
   John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.
   
   Jesus claimed to be Yahweh:
   
   John 8:58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am![k]” 59 At that point they picked up stones to throw at him. But Jesus was hidden from them and left the Temple.
   
   Why did they pick up stones to throw at Him? They understood full well that He was claiming equality with God:
   
   John 10:30 The Father and I are one.”
   31 Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. 32 Jesus said, “At my Father’s direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?”
   33 They replied, “We’re stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God.”
   
    
   Later Thomas professed that Jesus was Lord and God:
   John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”
   28 “My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.
   29 Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.”
   
   When Paul and others were called God, they were horrified and rejected that.  Jesus never did, not to the pharisees, not to Peter, not to Thomas. 
   
   Jesus is either God or a horrible blasphemous sinner. There are no other options.
   
   See also: http://marshill.com/media/doctrine/trinity-god-is, esp. last 20 minutes.
   
   
   B)  THE BIBLE’S UNRIVALED ACCURACY & LOGICAL REASONS THE RESURRECTION IS TRUE: 
   While the Bible doesn't claim that it is infallible/inerrant in all parts, many parts are directly from God and the most accurate and truthful things that exist in this world. Bible writers state very clearly when they are conveying the words of God and when they are talking about their own ideas in most cases.
   
   Dr. Martin Lawrence, Ph.D. in medieval history, explains that the evidence for the Bible’s accuracy is stronger than most documents in secular history.
   www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqZP91hGPLQ
   
   These videos by Josh McDowell and others talk of solid reasons why the Bible has an unrivaled track record of accuracy and credibility.
    The Authenticity of the Bible - Part 1 - Josh McDowell (Relativity is popular, but truth is real and provable.  Knowledge and perspective changes, but we can still evaluate evidence.www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze0shXucArA
   
   The Authenticity of the Bible - Part 2 - Josh McDowell explains 2 critical tests about the Bible:
   1) Is the Bible today essentially the same as when it was written?
   2) Is what was written originally true?
   
   2 historical tests of accuracy:
   1) The time gap between original autographa and earliest manuscript of the Bible is shorter than almost all other books of history. We have more time type evidence for the Bible than any other 10 pieces of classical literature combined.
   2) We have far more manuscripts of the Bible than anything else (so it’s easier to do linguistic tests and compare and find what original said)
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNXNXRJH498 (esp. ~5:00+) 
   
   The Authenticity of the Bible - Part 3 (charts of the above 2 questions and historical comparisons­showing most books of history have less evidence than the Bible)
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kjwBdoR2wI
   
   Here are similar charts. Combined:
   http://growingtogether.cc/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/TextualEvidenceForBible.png 
   http://www.truth-is-life.org/resources/_wsb_651x459_Bible-evidence+for+the+NT+compared+to+other+books.jpg 
   
   2 good charts & quotes: http://discovercreation.org/blog/2011/09/
   
   The Bible has gone WAY, WAY beyond any level of extraordinary evidence in comparison to other books of history.
   
   The Authenticity of the Bible - Part 4 - McDowell explains how the Bible was written by eyewitnesses or researchers, using laws of legal evidence. It appealed to many credible witnesses who agreed on crucial details.)
   ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awe9pIqQTKM
   
   The Authenticity of the Bible - Part 5 - McDowell points out that the disciples were threatened with death, but never denied the claims of what they had seen.  Many people have died for lie, but they thought it was true. Apostles knew 100% for certain if Jesus’ resurrection was a lie or true. “They signed their testimony in blood.” as Tertullian said. Even the Watergate conspirators couldn’t keep a secret and their whole careers were on the line. There is no stronger testimony than dying for what a person has seen firsthand. There’s no rational way it could be a lie.
   
   Andre Kohl (graduate from UCLA), the magician’s magician, has invented of ~2,000 illusions/magical effects. He has never been fooled by another illusionist and loves to expose hoaxes. He was challenged to refute the miracles of Jesus. Kohl tried, but failed and became a Christian. He explained that Jesus’ miracles could not have been done by magic because: 
   
   1) Most illusions are done indoors, but most of Jesus’ miracles were outdoors 
   
   2) The environment wasn’t controlled which is a must for most illusions. 
   
   3) Jesus didn’t have semi trucks of modern technology as illusionists do.  
   
   The resurrection was the biggest miracle that couldn’t be explained for reasons given above.
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nJNX46yKhw
   
   See also Andre Kohl’s personal testimony:
   www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdyUURrHnBE
   
   The Authenticity of the Bible - Part 6 - McDowell explains that the disciples didn’t have any inkling that the Messiah had to die. They expected a conquering Messiah as they had been taught their whole lives. Many in history have died for a great cause. But, the disciple’s great Cause died on the cross. There’s only one reason that could have changed to be faithful unto death. That reason is because they genuinely saw Jesus resurrected.)
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ml5T5JFaLM
   
   B) LEGAL REASONS THE RESURRECTION IS TRUE
   Dr. Simon Greenleaf was a Harvard professor of law who wrote “A Treatise on the Law of Evidence”, (considered by many to be one of the greatest legal volumes ever written). He was a skeptic determined to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection & highly qualified to do just that. Here is a couple review of his legal work:
   “It is no mean honor to America that her schools of jurisprudence have produced two of the first writers & best esteemed legal authorities of this century -- the great & good man, Judge Story, & his worthy & eminent associate, Professor Greenleaf. Upon the existing Law of Evidence (by Greenleaf) more light has shone from the New World than from all the lawyers who adorn the courts of Europe.” London Law Magazine
   
   His students challenged him to use the same methods he used to determine truth in the court to analyze the evidence for the case of the resurrection of Jesus. He accepted & after significant investigation, the evidence was so compelling that he became a Christian & documented in a book (which is free online) the reasons for his conclusions, saying:
   
   “The great truths which the apostles declared, were, that Christ had risen from the dead, & that only through repentance from sin, & faith in him, could men hope for salvation. This doctrine they asserted with one voice, everywhere, not only under the greatest discouragements, but in the face of the most appalling terrors that can be presented to the mind of man. 
   
   Their master had recently perished as a malefactor, by the sentence of a public tribunal. His religion sought to overthrow the religions of the whole world. The laws of every country were against the teachings of his disciples. The interests & passions of all the rulers & great men the world were against them. Propagating this new faith, even in the most inoffensive & peaceful manner, they could expect nothing but contempt, opposition, revilings, bitter persecutions, stripes, imprisonments, torments & cruel deaths. Yet this faith they zealously did propagate ; & all these miseries they endured undismayed, nay, rejoicing. 
   
   As one after another was put to a miserable death, the survivors only prosecuted their work with increased vigor & resolution. The annals of military warfare afford scarcely an example of the like heroic constancy, patience & unflinching courage. They had every possible motive to review carefully the grounds of their faith, & the evidences of the great facts & truths which they asserted…It was therefore impossible that they could have persisted in affirming the truths they have narrated, had not Jesus actually risen from the dead, & had they not known this fact as certainly as they knew any other fact.” Simon Greenleaf, “An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice”, p.52-53. 
   His book is available here for free if you want to read it:
   http://archive.org/details/examinationoftes00greerich  (start on ~p. 23)

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“Physical training is good, but training for godliness is much better, promising benefits in this life and in the life to come.” 1 Timothy 4:8 
"So let’s not get tired of doing what is good. At just the right time we will reap a harvest of blessing if we don’t give up." Galatians 6:9

"Sometimes people ask if religion and science are not opposed to one another? They are: in the sense that the thumb & the finger on my hand are opposed to one another. It is an opposition by means of which anything can be grasped"  Alexis Carrel, Nobel Prize winner in medicine and physiology

Kenneth Scott Latourette, Sterling Professor at Yale University, wrote, "Across the centuries Christianity has been the means of reducing more languages to writing than have all other factors combined. It has created more schools, more theories of education, and more systems than has any other one force. More than any other power in history it has impelled men to fight suffering, whether that suffering has come from disease, war or natural disasters. It has built thousands of hospitals, inspired the emergence of the nursing and medical professions, and furthered movement for public health and the relief and prevention of famine. Although explorations and conquests which were in part its outgrowth led to the enslavement of Africans for the plantations of the Americas, men and women whose consciences were awakened by Christianity and whose wills it nerved brought about the abolition of slavery (in England and America). Men and women similarly moved and sustained wrote into the laws of Spain and Portugal provisions to alleviate the ruthless exploitation of the Indians of the New World…By its name and symbol, the most extensive organization ever created for the relief of the suffering caused by war, the Red Cross, bears witness to its Christian origin. The list might go on indefinitely. It includes many another humanitarian projects and movements, ideals in government, the reform of prisons and the emergence of criminology, great art and architecture, and outstanding literature."
[A History of Christianity, Vol. II, pp.1470,1471]. http://www.tektonics.org/scim/sciencemony.htm 

Dr. Randy L. Wysong says, "Evolution can be thought of as sort of a magical religion. Magic is simply an effect without a cause, or at least a competent cause. 'Chance,' 'time,' and 'nature,' are the small gods enshrined at evolutionary temples. Yet these gods cannot explain the origin of life. These gods are impotent. Thus, evolution is left without competent cause and is, therefore, only a magical explanation for the existence of life..."

For very strong evidence that the Bible is true from science, history and other methods & many practical benefits that following God has for this life, see the playlists at:
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Romans 12 Place Your Life Before God
2 Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.


"The only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve." - Albert Schweitzer

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Aristotle

All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible. - Lawrence of Arabia

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Conclusion

There are massive complex and convoluted arguments against just about everything that is published on this list – that does NOT make what is published here wrong, it simply means that YOU are faced with a substantial challenge in discerning the truth J

Ultimately, unless someone is prepared to pray for judgment NOW in this life if they are in error their opinion cannot be trusted – and even then you probably need to give them several years of praying that prayer before they have been refined enough to be reliable.

May Yah bless you and keep you and make His face to shine upon you and give you peace.  I ask that Yah will judge me severely and correct me harshly, show me the level of my present deception and how to correct it and lead me into ALL truth with regard to this teaching and EVERY teaching that I offer, I ask this in the name of Yahooshua.